the house would like to not raise the debt ceiling at all. as they're preference, at least the majority of them. but they can't do that because they can't get the spending cuts to offset anything. what they're doing is trying to buy some time. the middle ground between doing nothing and surrender entirely. gerri: the middle ground. >> between surrender in doing nothing in all. on satisfying, but irresponsible piece of action. gerri: okay. well, what do you say? the interesting part of this command of one to you what you have to say. apparently the senate will okay this idea that it won't get paid if they don't create a budget. that's not really true. they will get paid, but the money will go into an account somewhere and be held for a while. they eventually will be paid. the end of the day and don't really see any bodies and getting smacked. >> well, the money will be held until the very end of 2014, the end of this congress. another thing people wanted paychecks held for 20 months. at think this is the only thing that got their attention. to